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the MoneyProfiler Podcast
Our podcast doesn't ask how money is made, but what money does - and why it rules our world. We uncover where the power of money comes from, how it shapes the economy and society and why previous theories often misunderstand it. For everyone who has to live with money but doesn't want to stop thinking about it. Podcast series with Eske Bockelmann and Daniel Butscher.
von Eske Bockelmann, Daniel Butscher
A profiler analyzes patterns, behaviors and structures to gain a deep understanding of a topic or person.
A money profiler (website in German only) applies this principle to money: they examine its hidden mechanisms, its impact on society and the economy and uncover how money influences our thoughts and actions. Bockelmann and Butscher take on precisely this role in their podcasts - they decode money in all its facets and make it understandable for everyone. They take their time to do this: almost an hour per episode to really go into depth. Ideal for deepening your own knowledge!
The compulsion to make money shapes our lives and the world. But what if we didn't ask how to make money, but what makes money? Our podcasts follow a radical path: it is not the path to money that is decisive, but the path from money. We clarify what money really is, where its power comes from and why it seems so unassailable.
We offer a revolutionary monetary theory that rethinks the economy - from production to the financial market, from interest rate policy to cryptocurrencies. Our podcast is for everyone who has to live with money - but doesn't want to stop thinking about it.
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Below you will find short introductions to the Money Profiler presentations.
Episode 1: What is money? Pure medium of exchange
Welcome to the Money Profilers! My name is Daniel Butscher, and I am Eske Bockelmann. We are on the trail of money - not because we want to own it, but because we want to find out what it really is. Money rules the world, but do we actually know what is ruling us? And does it govern us well? We think: not necessarily. That's why we're investigating money, wanting to uncover its identity and find out how it influences our society. Anyone who wants to join us is cordially invited.
Our podcast is not about how to make money, but about what money does and what it constitutes. Money is not just a thing, but a social fact. It permeates our entire society - from the economy to our most personal lives. It influences wars, wealth and poverty, freedom and domination, even the destruction of our livelihoods. We want to get to the bottom of all this.
We start with a seemingly simple question: What is money? Many people would say: money is bills, coins and banknotes. But what do these different forms have in common? In accounts, money only exists as a number - a number that counts for nothing, no potatoes, no gold, no physical goods. And yet it has the power to buy anything. Money is therefore a pure quantum, a quantified nothing with a tremendous effect.
A central point is the creation of money. Today, money is created through lending: banks credit sums as deposits and expect them to be repaid. Something astonishing happens in the process: every loan amount appears simultaneously as a plus for the borrower and a minus for the bank. It arises out of nothing and is created by a pure debt relationship. When a loan is repaid, the money disappears again - it is destroyed. This means that our entire monetary system is based on debt, which must continue to be issued in order to maintain the money supply.
This mechanism has far-reaching consequences. There is no fixed cover, no substance behind the money - only the trust that debts will be paid in the future. As a result, our financial system is not just a means of exchange, but a speculation on the future. And this is precisely where our analysis comes in: How could money take this form? What does it mean for the economy and society? What historical developments led to this structure?
In the next episode, we travel to Africa to look at an early example of money: cowries, which were considered one of the first currencies. We ask: were they actually money or just a prefiguration? And how do they differ from today's financial system?
We would like to thank our friends at MoneyLab for their support and the Sunflower Foundation Zurich for their many years of assistance. Stay tuned - we still have a lot to investigate!
Episode 2: In the realm of the Dahome
In the second episode of "Wir sind dem Geld auf der Spur, wir sind die die Money Profiler", Eske Bockelmann and Daniel Butscher embark on a historical search to investigate whether money has really always existed or whether it has only developed over the course of history. The central question is: were there societies that functioned without money?
At the beginning, it is established that money today is a pure number that possesses nothing material, but can dispose of everything. This insight from the first episode is now to be examined historically. To do this, the presenters immerse themselves in the world of the Dahomey, an African kingdom that existed until the 19th century. Although there are means of exchange here, there is no monetary economy as we know it today.
The Dahomey are provided for through personal obligations and a system of redistribution. Families and village communities farm their land together and share the proceeds. The king is at the head of this system and collects goods in order to redistribute them. Everything is recorded and managed centrally - from births and deaths to agricultural yields and the need for craftsmen.
An important part of the economy in Dahomey are the so-called kauri snails, which are often mistakenly referred to as money. They are used as status symbols, serve as a sign of honor and also have an exchange function in certain situations. However, they are not a general means of payment as they cannot be used universally. In addition, they are issued by the authorities specifically to provide food to a certain group - people without a direct supply. The cowries are therefore more comparable to vouchers or a limited means of exchange than to money in the modern sense.
Slaves are also used as a medium of exchange in Dahomey, especially in trade with European colonial powers, who exchange them for cowries. However, the real use of slaves lies in their labor and their symbolic value for the king's rule. Only when there is a surplus of slaves are they brought into the trade.
This example shows that there were societies that did not live from barter but from redistribution. The idea that money arose from an earlier state of bartering is therefore historically questionable. The widespread assumption that money is an advance on an alleged "barter economy" is based on the false assumption that this barter economy ever existed.
The episode concludes by pointing out that the money economy did not arise "naturally", but was forced by external influences - in particular by violence and colonization. The next episode will examine how a society developed in Europe in the Middle Ages that actually became dependent on barter and thus created the basis for today's monetary system.
Episode 3: Free cities
In this third episode, we travel to Augsburg in the year 1367. There, a young man named Hans Fugger seeks his fortune and rises to prosperity through diligence, business acumen and skillful marriages. His family later became the richest in the world - the Fuggers. At the same time, many poor people come to the city because it offers them freedom. But this freedom also meant the loss of feudal lords. The cities became centers of trade, and buying and selling became the only means of survival for the inhabitants.
Why does the history of free cities lead us to the emergence of money? Because they show that money is not just a thing, but a social fact. In feudal societies, there were personal dependencies and supply systems. But in the cities of the Middle Ages, communities emerged for the first time that supplied themselves exclusively through the market. Buying and selling became vital, and with it came the need for a generally accepted means of exchange - money.
Cities like Augsburg guarantee their inhabitants protection and freedom of trade. As a result, buying and selling gained importance beyond the city and a new economic order emerged. Feudal dependence is replaced by a new kind of dependence: dependence on the market. Life is no longer regulated by personal relationships, but by impersonal exchanges. The need to have money in order to survive makes it a central force in society.
In this environment, coins are not only used as pieces of metal, but take on a new function: they become carriers of a continuous medium of exchange. This marks the beginning of the transition to money as a social structure that is no longer based on personal obligations but on abstract value relationships. This dynamic leads to the further spread of trade, the emergence of banks and ultimately the development of the modern monetary system.
Our conclusion: money is not simply an object, but a social fact that has arisen from the necessity of exchange. It is the means by which a society organized around buying and selling can function in the first place. In the next episode, we will examine how this form of economy affects people's social relationships and what new relationships of dependency have arisen as a result.
Episode 4: Isolation of the individual
In the fourth episode of "Money Profiler", Eske Bockelmann and Daniel Butscher continue their investigation into the nature of money. After explaining in the previous episodes how money emerged as a pure medium of exchange, they now turn their attention to the social effects of the monetary economy, in particular the "isolation of the individual" and the change from community to society.
First, the presenters recapitulate their previous findings: Money is not a substance, but a pure amount of purchasing power that only exists because a society thrives on buying and selling. In episode 2, this was shown using the example of the Dahome, who knew no money in the modern sense, as their supply was regulated by personal obligations and redistribution. Episode 3 then examined how the massive population growth and the founding of free cities in Europe led to the emergence of a society that had to support itself through buying and selling - a historical novelty.
In this episode, they now look at the social consequences of this development. They highlight the fundamental distinction between community and society. Whereas in pre-modern communities, personal obligations ensured that people were provided for, in a monetary economy people live in a society in which they are no longer connected to each other by personal ties, but by the anonymous principle of commodity exchange. This leads to a twofold freedom: people are free from the relationship of domination, but also free from any guaranteed provision - they have to provide for themselves and are dependent on the market.
This new social order entails radical isolation. Everyone has to assert themselves as an individual economic subject, selling their labor or goods in order to obtain money. At the same time, everyone is completely dependent on others - because no one can survive without other people's money. This paradoxical structure, in which everyone is separated from each other and at the same time dependent on each other, forms the basis of modern society.
Another decisive consequence is competition: buyers and sellers have conflicting interests, as do suppliers among themselves. Companies compete with each other, job seekers compete for jobs. Money therefore not only mediates connections, but also creates a constant struggle for resources and income. Money is not just a means of exchange, but a social fact that structures social relationships and forces people to behave in certain ways.
The episode ends with a look ahead to the next episode, which will examine how this money society affects thinking. The focus is particularly on the philosophy of René Descartes, which is considered paradigmatic for modern thinking, which is characterized by the isolation of the subject and the need for rational calculation.
With this fourth episode, the "Money Profilers" deepen their analysis of the monetary economy and show that money is not just an economic phenomenon, but has profound social and psychological effects. The separation of people from one another, the need to survive by buying and selling and the constant pressure of competition are direct consequences of a money-mediated society.
Episode 5: Subject/Object
In episode 5 of the podcast "Die Money Profiler", Daniel Butscher and Eske Bockelmann bring the first five-part series on the definition of money to a provisional close - this time with a focus on thinking. Following the previous episodes on the appearance, historical development and social consequences of money, the focus is now on how money shapes our thinking.
The central idea is that money is a pure number, a non-entity that is nothing itself but can buy anything. This abstraction of money, which is decoupled from all content, has - according to the thesis - profoundly changed our thinking. Eske Bockelmann shows that with the advent of money, not only a new economic practice emerged, but also a new form of thinking: a separation between the "one" (money/thinking) and the "many" (goods/the world), in which the one determines the many, but is not itself determined.
The hosts use the example of René Descartes to illustrate this transition. Descartes, born in 1596, is a key figure in modern philosophy. He divides the world into two units: res cogitans (the thinking subject) and res extensa (the extended, physical world). This separation is fundamental for Descartes: thinking and the world exist independently of each other. In thinking, man recognizes himself as separate from the world. According to Bockelmann, this structure of thought exactly mirrors the form of money: money is the abstract that determines all concrete things (commodities). Just as money only exists through its relation to commodities - and vice versa - for Descartes, subject and object are mutually but separately determined. This split, which later continued to have an effect as subject-object dualism, for example, became the structure of modern thought - comparable to the structure of money.
Bockelmann argues that this form of thought was not "invented" by Descartes, but was precisely grasped and formulated by him because it was already socially effective - through the emergence of a monetary economy. In this view, money is not only understood as an economic phenomenon, but as a form of thought that also finds its way into philosophy, the natural sciences and everyday language. Terms such as "environment" (as a world that only surrounds people, not includes them) show how deep this separation and abstraction goes.
In the concluding reflection, the hosts pay tribute to Descartes' philosophical achievement, but also emphasize the dangers associated with it: If the world is thought of as a mere object and man as an isolated subject, the idea of connectedness and responsibility is lost. Money as a way of thinking leads to alienation - not only economically, but also spiritually.
The episode ends with a preview of the next podcast series, in which the role of value and its relationship to money will be discussed. Before that, however, there will be a special episode on other monetary theories, such as those of Karl Marx or the Bundesbank.
Season 1, Conclusion 1: Money is a function
In special episode 1 of the podcast "Spur: Die Money Profiler", Daniel Butscher and Eske Bockelmann reflect on common definitions of money - especially those of the Deutsche Bundesbank - and contrast them with their own theory. The aim of the episode is to show why conventional definitions remain inadequate and why money can only be understood if it is not seen as a thing, but as a social function.
We start with the Bundesbank: it describes money as something that fulfills three functions - a medium of exchange, a unit of account and a store of value. However, Bockelmann and Butscher consider this definition to be tautological. Because if you say "money is what fulfills monetary functions", you are defining the term with yourself. It also gives the impression that money can be defined arbitrarily, regardless of social conditions.
Another point of criticism: the practice of using individual historical examples - such as cattle as a bride price or shells as a means of payment - to conclude that this was already money. The hosts argue that although such practices represent forms of exchange, they do not capture what is specific to modern money. In particular, they lack abstraction: money as a pure number that is nothing in itself but can buy anything. This quality did not exist in earlier societies.
A third aspect is trust. The Bundesbank says that people "have to trust" that their money will retain value. However, according to Bockelmann, this trust is not a voluntary act, but a forced relationship: in a society in which everyone has to secure their existence by buying and selling, they have to accept and use money. Trust in money is not the result of psychological inclination, but of social necessity.
The podcast hosts contrast this with three clearly distinguishable conditions that must be fulfilled for money to be created in the modern sense:
Money must be able to perform all functions in one (not just individual ones).
Society must be based on exchange - i.e. the need to obtain money by selling in order to be able to buy.
Money must represent itself as a pure number - not as a thing with intrinsic value, but as abstract purchasing power.
Finally, they formulate their own basic thesis: money is not a thing with a function - money is a function. This function consists in the mediation of all social provision through buying and selling. It follows from this that money did not arise from the exchange of things, but that the exchange society itself is an expression of the social compulsion to have to exist via a general medium of exchange (money).
With this episode, Butscher and Bockelmann conclude their first series of topics: Money as a pure medium of exchange. In the next feedback episode, we will focus on the concept of value.
Episode 6: Value
Welcome to Money Profilers – my name is Daniel Butscher. And I'm Eske Bockelmann. We're on the trail of money because we want to understand it. In episode 6, we're kicking off our second major series, which is all about value.
There's hardly a theory about money that doesn't mention it. But what exactly is value? Has it always existed? Most theories say yes. Whenever goods are exchanged, there is an exchange value behind it. But we question this assumption. Historically speaking.
We take you back to the Middle Ages – to a great medievalist: Ludolf Kuchenbuch. He studied the medieval denarius, an important coin of his time. And he shows that people used coins – but they did not talk about “money.” What's more, the term “value” does not appear in any of the sources from that time. Kuchenbuch writes: “The abstraction of the quality of a coin into value is reserved for later times.”
What does that mean? In the Middle Ages, the concept of value did not yet exist – and presumably neither did the idea of it. Goods were exchanged – goods for goods, goods for coins – but without the idea of abstract value.
We are familiar with the Latin word “valere” – to be strong or valid. But that is different from the noun “value.” When I say, “You are worth a promotion,” I mean that you are worthy – not that you have the objective value of a promotion.
This difference is crucial. The modern concept of value as a quantifiable quantity does not arise with exchange itself, but only when money becomes a general prerequisite for every purchase. This development began at the end of the 13th century with the rise of cities, culminating around 1600 in a world where people had to live by buying and selling. It is only in this world that money becomes an abstract number that can be exchanged for anything – and with it, value emerges.
Money is then value – and only through this can goods also “have” value. But beware: this value is not inherent in the goods. It is assigned to them through purchase – if 14.99 euros are equated with a good, then the good appears to be worth this amount.
That is why value is not an objective measure inherent in things – but rather a way of thinking that is made necessary by money in the first place. Our entire economy today is built on this quantifiable variable that makes everything comparable.
We know this is uncomfortable because it challenges deeply held beliefs. But that's exactly what Money Profilers are all about: getting to the bottom of things. Next time, we'll show you that even complex exchanges are possible – without money and without value.
Until then, we'll keep tracking money.
Episode 7a: Economy without values - profit without loss
In the seventh episode of the podcast "Die Money Profiler", Daniel Butscher and Eske Bockelmann continue their critical search for clues about money, this time with a central thesis: exchange was possible - and for a long time a reality - without the idea of "value". The series thus opposes the widespread conviction that every exchange is necessarily linked to ideas of value. To support this thesis, the hosts travel through history and visit three different contexts: Ancient Greece, the Phoenician practice described by Herodotus and the Mesopotamian economic system.
First of all, it is made clear: If value - as shown in previous episodes - emerges together with money in the early modern period, then there must have been value-free, indeed "worthless" times before. The hosts show that meaning and personal assessments of things existed at all times, but not in the form of quantified units of comparison that we associate with the term "value". It is not a question of whether things were significant or desirable, but whether these meanings were comparable in uniform quantities - and this was not the case.
An illustrative example is provided by children's exchange practices with Panini collector's cards. Although there are subjective assessments ("Maradona is rare"), there is no objective or stable relation from which a generalizable exchange value could be derived. According to Bockelmann, this childlike reality - no third means of comparison, no stable values - is also reflected in ethnological research. The anthropologist Marshall Sahlins showed that archaic exchange knew no fixed exchange ratios. The same good was exchanged in different quantities depending on the place, person and situation - without ever changing into a fixed exchange rate or a generally valid value relation.
In the second part, the episode turns to Aristotle, who is generally regarded as the first philosopher of money and value. The hosts analyze his theory of justice and show: Aristotle does not speak of value in a just exchange, but of proportions between the people involved - for example between the cobbler and the builder - and derives from this a just quantitative ratio of the goods to be exchanged. The concept of "value" as we know it today does not appear here.
The third historical location is Mesopotamia. There, economic processes such as lending, earning and trading were recorded in writing. It is striking that these texts do document profits - but not losses. The hosts conclude from this: If there had already been a value system, there would inevitably have been losses. The gain did not consist in an increase in abstract comparative value, but simply in the yield itself - e.g. in the amount of grain.
This episode shows impressively that value is not an anthropological constant, but a historically developed variable. Before money, it was possible to exchange goods - without the existence or idea of value. This insight sheds a whole new light on our current concepts of economy, rationality and human exchange.
Episode 7b: Profit without loss today? - A dangerous illusion
The expression "win without loss" sounds harmless, perhaps even hopeful. Who wouldn't want everyone to win and no one to lose? But in the seventh episode of the podcast The Money Profiler, Eske Bockelmann and Daniel Butscher show that this idea is less an economic reality than a modern fairy tale - with far-reaching consequences.
In today's economy, it seems completely normal for companies to grow, make profits and pay dividends - seemingly without anyone anywhere having to lose out. Profit becomes the benchmark for success, efficiency and progress. However, this understanding ignores the fact that every profit is systemically offset by a loss - not necessarily for the same person or organization, but in the overall structure.
This is because monetary gains arise in a system that is based on debt. New money is created through lending - always with the promise of repayment including interest. This creates a systemic pressure that demands ever more productivity, utilization and growth. This dynamic inevitably means that not everyone can keep up. The flip side of profit is debt, overstretched resources, precarious work and environmental destruction. However, these losses often remain invisible or are recorded as "collateral damage".
Bockelmann and Butscher argue that the belief in loss-free profit is a central legend of our time. It fulfils an ideological function: it reassures, legitimizes and represses. Those who believe in "profit without loss" do not question the system. He or she overlooks the dark side of success and thus the structural injustice that lies hidden within it.
A central concern of the series is to turn economic thinking on its head. It is not enough to ask where profits are made. We must also ask who pays for it - whether visibly in the form of social inequality or hidden through ecological follow-up costs, outsourced risks or psychological exhaustion.
The image of "profit without loss" is seductive because it promises relief. But this is precisely where its danger lies. It prevents us from taking responsibility, developing alternative models and understanding the reality of the monetary system in depth.
This episode invites us to question the economic vocabulary. What do we really mean when we say "value"? What is behind "price", "performance" or "productivity"? And can we think of an economic system in which everything is not subject to an abstract logic of added value and profit generation?
"Profit without loss" is not just an error in thinking - it is an expression of a world view that is not sustainable in the long term. Anyone who confronts this illusion opens the door to a new understanding of the economy in which it is not a question of more and more having to lose for less and less.
Episode 8: State and mercantilism
In the third episode of the second season of The Money Profilers, Eske Bockelmann and Daniel Butscher examine the relationship between money and value - a topic of explosive topicality in spring 2025, in the midst of a geopolitical upheaval caused by the US administration under Trump. The latter is imposing punitive tariffs on other countries due to an alleged trade deficit. Although the US receives more goods than it exports, this is not seen as an advantage, but as a deficit - because it is about the monetary value, not the goods themselves.
This thinking is not new, but is strongly reminiscent of the mercantilism of the 17th century. The idea at that time was to sell more goods than to import - but measured in terms of value, not quantity. The central goal: bring more value (money) into the country than goes out. This way of thinking was fundamentally new because it led to the emergence of economic policy. Previously, economics and politics were separate areas. There was no "political economy", no state in the modern sense. It was not until around 1620 that both the modern understanding of money and the state-controlled economy emerged - both inextricably linked.
According to Bockelmann, this period marked the historical turning point: the so-called "long 16th century" ended around 1620. It was only then that money became established as a general medium of exchange, and with it the idea of value as an abstract, quantitative quantity. It follows from this: A targeted economic policy is only possible when there is both a state and money. Mercantilism - and cameralism in the German-speaking world - emerged as the first genuine economic policy that allowed the state to actively intervene in the management of the economy, for example through customs duties, agricultural reforms or state manufactories.
Thinking in terms of trade balances is central to this: The state pursues the goal of generating more value through exports than is given away through imports. A famous example of this is the English economist Thomas Mun, who wrote in 1630 that England should "sell more annually to foreigners than it consumes from them - in value". According to Bockelmann, the fact that the term "value" is often missing in translations is significant: "Today, we take monetary value so much for granted that we no longer even address it - although this is precisely where the ideological core lies.
When we talk about the economy today, the term "value" comes up as a matter of course. We say: "What is it worth?" - "How much is your car worth?" - "What is your work worth?" But what we usually don't realize is that We are no longer talking about what is subjectively important or valuable to us - in other words, what we love, appreciate or need. Instead, we are talking about something completely different: monetary value. This monetary value is something abstract, measurable, quantifiable. And this is a relatively new phenomenon in human history. It is not natural, not eternal, not universal. It is: It arose historically - pretty much around the year 1620.
It was at this time that what we now call the modern monetary economy became established in Europe. Everything was regulated by buying and selling, money became the connecting medium - and with it came the idea that things, people, activities - in short, the whole world - could be expressed in monetary terms. And that was a revolution in thinking. Because before that, in antiquity or the Middle Ages, there were barter transactions - but no one would have thought of saying: "This horse is worth 100 monetary units." It was just a horse, a useful thing or something that was needed - but there was no general yardstick with which to compare its "value". This abstraction - thinking in terms of value - was only made possible by money itself.
And now comes an interesting point: even great thinkers like Karl Marx, who wanted to fundamentally criticize the system of capital, adopted this new form of thinking. They see value relations everywhere, they think in terms of money - because it is so difficult to break away from them. It is as if money has imposed an invisible grid on our thinking. A grid that reduces everything to one question: "What is it worth?" - in the economic sense. The podcast now shows that thinking in terms of values is not neutral. It is not simply a tool. It is itself a historical turning point. And this turning point began with mercantilism, i.e. the economic policy from the 17th century onwards in which states tried to bring more monetary value into the country than they gave out. This was the moment when a society was systematically geared towards value production for the first time. And that was the beginning of a world in which the economy and the state are inextricably linked, because both are based on the abstract concept of value.
Episode 9: Function -- The thought form of money
What if money not only changes the way we act, but also the way we think? In the ninth episode of The Money Profilers, Eske Bockelmann and Daniel Butscher take a deep dive into this question -- and discover: The modern conception of the world, science and value is inconceivable without money. Using the mathematical function, they show how, with the rise of money, a new way of thinking has established itself -- a way of thinking that still determines our relationship to reality today.
A function is initially a seemingly harmless mathematical concept: it links two quantities together -- time and speed, for example -- and relates them by means of an equation. In a coordinate system with two axes, it becomes clear that every input (x) produces exactly one output (y). However, this mathematical form has far-reaching consequences when it is combined - historically speaking - with the emergence of monetary thinking.
In the 17th century, a new world view emerged: nature was no longer described in terms of its qualities, but in terms of its quantities - in other words, measurable quantities. A calculable world took the place of a world that was grasped through immediate perception and meaning. Galileo Galilei, Isaac Newton and Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz were at the beginning of this revolution. Galileo's law of gravity (v = g × t) is an example of how the world is expressed in numbers. It is no longer a question of what falls, but how fast it falls -- and in measurable quantities, independent of the specific object.
This new way of thinking -- understanding things as value, as a number, as a function -- is closely linked to money. After all, money also works like a mathematical function: it abstracts from content and makes the most diverse things comparable through their price. Whether bread, clothing or labor -- all these things are made equal through money, in the double sense of equal value and equal validity. The world appears as a collection of quantifiable units, and money is the universal measure.
Bockelmann argues that this abstraction is not simply a neutral technique, but a way of thinking that has changed our entire relationship to the world. It is not innate, but has grown historically -- originating around the year 1620, at the same time as mercantilism and the beginnings of modern science. The introduction of the decimal fraction by Simon Stevin and the construction of the coordinate system by Descartes are not merely mathematical advances, but the expression of a new world view: reality is now only represented in numbers.
Money is not just a tool, but the cause of this change. It forces us to think in terms of values - in the economic sense. And these values appear to be objective, although they are a created, historically evolved way of thinking. In the language of the podcast: The world is reflexively seen in monetary terms -- not because we consciously choose to, but because this way of thinking has become deeply inscribed in our minds.
The episode shows in an impressive way that money not only shapes our economic system, but also our sciences, our language, our self-image - in short: our entire way of thinking. And that is precisely why it is so important to become aware of this way of thinking. Only those who understand how we think can begin to question what we take for granted.
"It is not what we think, but how we think that is shaped by money - and that is precisely where its greatest power lies."
Episode 10: The reality of value - How money changes our thinking and our world
In episode 10 of the Money Profiler, Eske Bockelmann and Daniel Butscher take a deep dive into the topic of "value" - not as a theoretical concept, but as a way of thinking that permeates our entire reality of life. They show that money is not just a means of payment, but also shapes our perception, our feelings and even our self-image. The episode bears the programmatic title "On the trail of money" - and impressively demonstrates how money has become the invisible structure of our world.
First of all, it becomes clear that economic value is not a property of things, but a way of thinking that is created by money itself. It is not because a commodity is valuable in itself that it is given a price - but because it can be offered and bought for money that it is perceived as "valuable". This reversal is central: the value is not in the thing itself, but in the social process of valuation.
A key concept of the episode is indifference. In the monetary system, what counts is no longer what something is, but only how much it is worth. Health, war, human relationships - everything can become a commodity as soon as it is reduced to its monetary value. This decoupling of content and value creates absurd effects: Natural disasters and diseases become economic opportunities because they create orders and generate profits. Even war - such as rearmament as a result of geopolitical crises - is celebrated as an economic driver. Damage becomes profit.
But Bockelmann and Butscher go even further. They show that this form of thinking has also penetrated our innermost being - our self-image. The modern concept of self-esteem is nothing other than the transfer of economic thinking to the ego. People evaluate themselves - consciously or unconsciously - like a commodity: Am I worth much? Am I better or worse than others? There is a constant danger in this way of thinking: those who have no "value" feel inferior.
The authors contrast this with the concept of dignity, which comes from a different tradition. Dignity cannot be measured, cannot be compared - and is therefore inviolable. But even human dignity is often overlaid by economic constraints in everyday life. Hospitals do not close because they work badly, but because they are not "profitable". This compulsion to produce value permeates all areas - right down to games and leisure.
This becomes particularly clear in the example of the board game "Settlers of Catan", which supposedly focuses on cooperation, but is actually based on competition, resource control and scoring - in other words, on classic capitalist thinking. Even in the game, we learn to assert ourselves instead of working together. Value decides who wins.
The episode ends with an outlook: Those who only think in terms of values will sooner or later find themselves in competition - the transition to the next season, which deals with the topic of "capital". The form of money and value forces us into a way of thinking that reduces not only our world, but also ourselves, to numbers and comparison.
Special episode 2: Trump as the Sun King
In the special episode "Trump, Sun King" of the podcast The Money Profiler, Daniel Butscher and Eske Bockelmann do not analyze the person Donald Trump in isolation, but the system behind him: a state structured by monetary logic and based on competition, value creation and power. The central thesis of the episode is that Trump, with his slogan "Make America Great Again", is pursuing a political reversal of all civilizational relativizations of the state that have been developed over the last 400 years -- such as the rule of law, separation of powers, environmental protection or the welfare state.
The authors equate Trump with Louis XIV, the French Sun King: both embody the identification of state and person. Trump claims complete executive power for himself, disempowers Congress, places the courts under his control, restricts the bureaucracy and declares the will of the people to be congruent with his own. This undermines the foundation of the democratic separation of powers.
However, the problem goes deeper than an authoritarian personality. The hosts argue that the modern state arose from the need for a money-based, competition-driven society. In the 17th century, a new form of polity took hold: The state as "statu" -- meaning state -- was necessary to regulate a society that organized itself through buying, selling and the logic of money. The state became the supreme monetary subject: it issued the currency, set rules for competition and ensured the functioning of the capitalist system through economic policy.
Over time, however, a counter-moment developed: relativizations of this state-economic power. The separation of powers, human rights, social laws and environmental protection are institutional responses to the harshness of the system. They protect the weaker, limit exploitation and open up spaces for dignity, equality and ecological responsibility. These achievements cannot be taken for granted -- they were fought for through resistance, responsibility and the struggle for humanity in an often inhumane system.
Trump's policies are aimed at a radical reversal: he is attacking regulations, weakening environmental and consumer protection, stripping rights from marginalized groups, dismissing civil servants, disempowering parliaments and placing the law under his interpretation. In trade and foreign policy, he resorts to mercantilist means - punitive tariffs, protectionism and economic blackmail. Domestically, he opposes diversity, social inclusion and science-based governance. Anything that relativizes the state is branded as weakness.
The authors warn: Trump's program is not an accident, but systematic -- it follows a logic that grows out of the capitalist competitive system itself. Anyone who does not talk about this connection has nothing to say about the figure of Trump. The central warning is: if the relativizations of the state disappear, all that remains is raw power -- a relapse into authoritarian structures. This would not only mean abandoning democracy, but also human dignity itself.
Eske Bockelmann has developed and published the basic principles and findings on the subject of money in his books Geld (2020) and Money - Understanding Modern Society (2025).
Heere you will find 21 short audio files, each lasting just three minutes, which shed light on central aspects of Bockelmann's research -- from archaic means of payment to power and society to thought functions. These podcasts offer a concise overview of his work.
In the "The books" section, you can download the book, a video introduction and seven thematic sections on money -- developed over many years as part of the Sunflower discussion group.
Money and Material
Money and Time
Money and Power
Money and Relationships
Money and Form of Thought
Money and Exchange
The basic book on money, free download:
Eske Bockelmann: Money - Understanding Modern Society. Mathes & Seitz Berlin 2025
Below the book which has emerged from the many discussions of the Sunflower Group arranged by the MoneyMuseum. It is a kind of road map to discuss money in its many perspectives without getting lost.